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		<title>By: Freefreethinker</title>
		<link>http://embraceunity.com/?p=413&#038;cpage=1#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>Freefreethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 09:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Waves are particles.&quot;
&quot;Particles are waves.&quot;
&quot;Everything is a wave.&quot;
&quot;Everything is a particle.&quot;

Or rather:

Everything is everything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Waves are particles.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Particles are waves.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Everything is a wave.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Everything is a particle.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or rather:</p>
<p>Everything is everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Freefreethinker</title>
		<link>http://embraceunity.com/?p=413&#038;cpage=1#comment-895</link>
		<dc:creator>Freefreethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expanding on the &quot;echo chamber&quot; piece (but not digressing too much, hopefully ;] ), I&#039;ve become very interested in the thought experiment of something artificial being infinitely old and thus having no creators (a building that has always been a building, but was never actually built) whilst still being artificial. Or, alternatively, something artificial being infinitely old, whereby the time it was built is an infinity ago longer than the infinity of it standing as a complete structure, like aleph one to null. I&#039;m not sure which version I find more psychedelic...perhaps the first one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expanding on the &#8220;echo chamber&#8221; piece (but not digressing too much, hopefully ;] ), I&#8217;ve become very interested in the thought experiment of something artificial being infinitely old and thus having no creators (a building that has always been a building, but was never actually built) whilst still being artificial. Or, alternatively, something artificial being infinitely old, whereby the time it was built is an infinity ago longer than the infinity of it standing as a complete structure, like aleph one to null. I&#8217;m not sure which version I find more psychedelic&#8230;perhaps the first one.</p>
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		<title>By: Freefreethinker</title>
		<link>http://embraceunity.com/?p=413&#038;cpage=1#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>Freefreethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! Ah yes, I joined yesterday...and I was pleasantly surprised to find that I&#039;m already connected with Daniel Kolak! My friend CJ Carr is also quite into the I Am You ideology; I&#039;ll have to direct him to this and to Mr Kolak :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! Ah yes, I joined yesterday&#8230;and I was pleasantly surprised to find that I&#8217;m already connected with Daniel Kolak! My friend CJ Carr is also quite into the I Am You ideology; I&#8217;ll have to direct him to this and to Mr Kolak <img src='http://embraceunity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Edward Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

My friends and I have read your comments with interest. I especially loved the metaphor of a dog crashing into its own reflection.

Be sure to join the facebook group that I made, following this post:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=299406397622</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>My friends and I have read your comments with interest. I especially loved the metaphor of a dog crashing into its own reflection.</p>
<p>Be sure to join the facebook group that I made, following this post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=299406397622" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=299406397622</a></p>
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		<title>By: Freefreethinker</title>
		<link>http://embraceunity.com/?p=413&#038;cpage=1#comment-892</link>
		<dc:creator>Freefreethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the interconnectedness of everything to everything else, true islands are impossible in this universe. Nothing in our existence can be one hundred per cent isolated from another…and so to try and think of something that is is an extremely psychedelic thought experiment. Synthesising this with Hofstadter’s strange loops, I have been asking myself…what is a strange line then? A strange line: a series of infinitely short instances that have absolutely no causal effect on one another but are infinitely unrelated. Where every spontaneous occurrence is infinitely isolated and different to the others in literally every way; where they truly are their own islands. This challenges the definition of “line” then.

An infinitely thin, infinitely long straight line in this universe is a strange loop; it is a series of strange loops within strange loops, forever. No matter how far you travel along it for however long, you will always arrive at a point identical to where you left because it is totally uniform. This is partly true for everything we do in our macro world; our destinations (whether they are spacial, temporal, ideological) always have a connection to our departations because they happen, for example, in the same universe, in the same timeline, in the same existence to the same person et cetera. The strange line thought experiment idea is the antithesis to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the interconnectedness of everything to everything else, true islands are impossible in this universe. Nothing in our existence can be one hundred per cent isolated from another…and so to try and think of something that is is an extremely psychedelic thought experiment. Synthesising this with Hofstadter’s strange loops, I have been asking myself…what is a strange line then? A strange line: a series of infinitely short instances that have absolutely no causal effect on one another but are infinitely unrelated. Where every spontaneous occurrence is infinitely isolated and different to the others in literally every way; where they truly are their own islands. This challenges the definition of “line” then.</p>
<p>An infinitely thin, infinitely long straight line in this universe is a strange loop; it is a series of strange loops within strange loops, forever. No matter how far you travel along it for however long, you will always arrive at a point identical to where you left because it is totally uniform. This is partly true for everything we do in our macro world; our destinations (whether they are spacial, temporal, ideological) always have a connection to our departations because they happen, for example, in the same universe, in the same timeline, in the same existence to the same person et cetera. The strange line thought experiment idea is the antithesis to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Freefreethinker</title>
		<link>http://embraceunity.com/?p=413&#038;cpage=1#comment-891</link>
		<dc:creator>Freefreethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I dreamt you into existence, where you then proceeded to dream me into existence causing an infinite regression. You made me and I made you, forever backwards in a trans-oneiric loop…”

My dear old boxer dog Max, now long gone from this world, used to charge at mirrors upon seeing his reflection, thinking it was another dog to play with. After colliding head-on with the mirror, he simply got back up rather woozily and trotted off. I have often used this scenario as an analogy to our own situation, to the possibility that everyone is everyone else despite our natural inclination to think that who we see in front of us are completely separate people, like dogs and mirrors. This mindset has played a part during my more solipsistic moments, where I thought to myself that instead of a mirror, I, perhaps the only person in existence, am just reflecting and reverberating back off the limits of my self-contained  existence, echoes that manifest themselves as other things and other people. But this developed into thinking, what if this is true for everyone and everything? Am I the echo of another who was an echo of me? This would cause never-ending feedback like that in my opening text, but does that necessarily mean it’s not true? We would do well to think like that; it s one step up from “treat others as you wish to be treated yourself”. It is a great incentive for compassion. On the other hand, compassion should first and foremost be given because it is good and nice, not just because we may be one another in my opinion.

“An impossible echo chamber, full of sounds reflecting off the walls. There was never a sound source, there has always been reverberations. Each echo will always be the sound source for the next reflection, and it has always been that way.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I dreamt you into existence, where you then proceeded to dream me into existence causing an infinite regression. You made me and I made you, forever backwards in a trans-oneiric loop…”</p>
<p>My dear old boxer dog Max, now long gone from this world, used to charge at mirrors upon seeing his reflection, thinking it was another dog to play with. After colliding head-on with the mirror, he simply got back up rather woozily and trotted off. I have often used this scenario as an analogy to our own situation, to the possibility that everyone is everyone else despite our natural inclination to think that who we see in front of us are completely separate people, like dogs and mirrors. This mindset has played a part during my more solipsistic moments, where I thought to myself that instead of a mirror, I, perhaps the only person in existence, am just reflecting and reverberating back off the limits of my self-contained  existence, echoes that manifest themselves as other things and other people. But this developed into thinking, what if this is true for everyone and everything? Am I the echo of another who was an echo of me? This would cause never-ending feedback like that in my opening text, but does that necessarily mean it’s not true? We would do well to think like that; it s one step up from “treat others as you wish to be treated yourself”. It is a great incentive for compassion. On the other hand, compassion should first and foremost be given because it is good and nice, not just because we may be one another in my opinion.</p>
<p>“An impossible echo chamber, full of sounds reflecting off the walls. There was never a sound source, there has always been reverberations. Each echo will always be the sound source for the next reflection, and it has always been that way.”</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Miller</title>
		<link>http://embraceunity.com/?p=413&#038;cpage=1#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find your idea plausible and actually speculated on that exact possibility  in the facebook group that was derived from this post.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=299406397622&amp;ref=ts

Though my conception, which is scarier, is that you play every role in that universe simultaneously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find your idea plausible and actually speculated on that exact possibility  in the facebook group that was derived from this post.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=299406397622&#038;ref=ts" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=299406397622&#038;ref=ts</a></p>
<p>Though my conception, which is scarier, is that you play every role in that universe simultaneously.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Christopher</title>
		<link>http://embraceunity.com/?p=413&#038;cpage=1#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt solipsism too. But my thing is different. 

To put it another way, I believe there are individual &quot;universes&quot; in a &quot;multiverse&quot;. Each contain just one conscious being. 

So all other entities in my reality are just parts of my consciousness. I&#039;m one in an infinitude of conscious beings subjectively experiencing themselves in their own reality. From my vantage point, if I&#039;m actually in a reality with multiple observers, I couldn&#039;t tell the difference! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt solipsism too. But my thing is different. </p>
<p>To put it another way, I believe there are individual &#8220;universes&#8221; in a &#8220;multiverse&#8221;. Each contain just one conscious being. </p>
<p>So all other entities in my reality are just parts of my consciousness. I&#8217;m one in an infinitude of conscious beings subjectively experiencing themselves in their own reality. From my vantage point, if I&#8217;m actually in a reality with multiple observers, I couldn&#8217;t tell the difference! <img src='http://embraceunity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Edward Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 06:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jack,

If I understood you correctly, you may be a solipsist. Solipsism is not disprovable, though it seems unlikely from my vantage point... though if I am just an NPC in your lucid dream, then that would explain my inability to see this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jack,</p>
<p>If I understood you correctly, you may be a solipsist. Solipsism is not disprovable, though it seems unlikely from my vantage point&#8230; though if I am just an NPC in your lucid dream, then that would explain my inability to see this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, count me in!
Basically, I live my life as if I&#039;m in my own lucid dream. So I consider everything I experience as a part of my consciousness like you. Not because I know it&#039;s true. But because it&#039;s a *very* empowering view that can&#039;t be logically discarded. Of course it could be false.

I realize a lot of people consider this &quot;quack&quot;. But many people in history and modern time have made this point. Google &quot;Max Tegmark&#039;s Everything Theory&quot;, or &quot;Boltzmann brain&quot; and &quot;quantum immortality&quot;. They all echo my viewpoint. If you more of a technical type, there are much more extensive reasons I believe what I do.

BTW Ed, Eliezer Yudkowsky put a bullet in the head of the p-zombie argument. (I never believed in a p-zombies view anyway)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, count me in!<br />
Basically, I live my life as if I&#8217;m in my own lucid dream. So I consider everything I experience as a part of my consciousness like you. Not because I know it&#8217;s true. But because it&#8217;s a *very* empowering view that can&#8217;t be logically discarded. Of course it could be false.</p>
<p>I realize a lot of people consider this &#8220;quack&#8221;. But many people in history and modern time have made this point. Google &#8220;Max Tegmark&#8217;s Everything Theory&#8221;, or &#8220;Boltzmann brain&#8221; and &#8220;quantum immortality&#8221;. They all echo my viewpoint. If you more of a technical type, there are much more extensive reasons I believe what I do.</p>
<p>BTW Ed, Eliezer Yudkowsky put a bullet in the head of the p-zombie argument. (I never believed in a p-zombies view anyway)</p>
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